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Kunder · Mar 04, 2011, 02:34 AM // 02:34

Instead of banning Heroes from using PvE skills, allow them to take PvE skills as long as them + the player don't exceed 3 in total.

Why? Some classes get shafted in terms of whats available. Physicals can all run SY which makes the party invincible, but casters are much worse off. Monks don't have much worthwhile other than Seed of Life, mesmer PvE skills suck, etc etc. This leads to a massive power disparity between a caster player + 7 heroes and a physical player + 7 heroes. In this case, since the player isn't using many PvE skills they should be able to put 1 or 2 on a hero. This will also let the player themselves run a greater variety of builds, since f.e. physicals won't feel an absolute need to use an SY spamming bar and can delegate this to a hero while they run something else. OTOH, Sins are generally recognized as ridiculously flimsy in PvE (especially heroes that will run right in). How do they become not flimsy? Critical Agility. What won't heroes have? Critical Agility. What does this make Sin heroes? Useless.

TL;DR Not a means to increase power, but let you use more available heroes that would otherwise not be nearly as helpful without PvE skills in exchange for not being able to use PvE skills yourself. It may appear that 3 of x awesome skill would be overpowered, but you have to give up equally valuable other skills you could be running. That's build diversity.

Nilator · Mar 04, 2011, 02:37 AM // 02:37

3 Pain Inverters...

Cuilan · Mar 04, 2011, 02:39 AM // 02:39

PvE skills are for humans and groups of humans. Take other players if you want more PvE skills.

Kunder · Mar 04, 2011, 02:40 AM // 02:40

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Originally Posted by Cuilan

PvE skills are for humans and groups of humans. Take other players if you want more PvE skills.

You aren't getting more. You still have 3, but your heroes can use them instead of you.

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Originally Posted by Nilator

3 Pain Inverters...

...won't stack, and will require you to take a crap-ton of damage to kill 3 targets. Pain inverter is far from the greatest of PvE skills.

Cuilan · Mar 04, 2011, 02:44 AM // 02:44

Cry of Pain is fine. There are some weak PvE skills, but each profession seems to have at least one strong one.

Nilator · Mar 04, 2011, 02:49 AM // 02:49

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Originally Posted by Kunder

...won't stack, and will require you to take a crap-ton of damage to kill 3 targets. Pain inverter is far from the greatest of PvE skills.

Throw PI on different targets.
Minions + Spirits absorb damage in a general PvE group.

With max Asura rank, you have to take 58 damage to hit the 80 damage cap.
In hard mode that is easily done and out healed.

Kunder · Mar 04, 2011, 02:56 AM // 02:56

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Originally Posted by Cuilan

Cry of Pain is fine. There are some weak PvE skills, but each profession seems to have at least one strong one.

Whew, 50 damage and degen thats slightly better than poison. Totally comparable to +100 armor, amirite?

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Throw PI on different targets.
Minions + Spirits absorb damage in a general PvE group.

With max Asura rank, you have to take 58 damage to hit the 80 damage cap.
In hard mode that is easily done and out healed.

So? 80 damage is still minimal unless the one with PI on it is an AoE enemy anyway. Pain inverter isn't that bad but its hardly gamebreakingly good.

I've already done DoA HM with 7 heroes as it is, I don't think Anet is too concerned about things being 'too easy' anymore. Letting a hero use a PvE skill would simply make the team building much more interesting.

Rites · Mar 04, 2011, 03:35 AM // 03:35

talk about some lazy PITA's

7 heroes.... pretty much wipes everything i've come across so far, and still you want more

damn whiney..........

mathiastemplar · Mar 04, 2011, 04:21 AM // 04:21

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Originally Posted by Rites

talk about some lazy PITA's

7 heroes.... pretty much wipes everything i've come across so far, and still you want more

damn whiney..........

^This

also, /notsigned.

TheGuildWarsPenguin · Mar 04, 2011, 04:26 AM // 04:26

/signed

Being able to distribute the 3 PvE skills you're allotted to your heroes doesn't sound unreasonable.

Kurosaki129 · Mar 04, 2011, 04:31 AM // 04:31

@OP

edit: people and their PvE skills abession. w/e suggest all you want, lets keep this amusement park going.

Kunder · Mar 04, 2011, 11:04 AM // 11:04

Take hero sins, for example. Anet themselves basically admit that sins cant work in high level PvE without Critical Agility because 70 base armor frontline is just crappy, but it has to be a PvE skill because otherwise PvP balance goes down the toilet. Yet Hero Sins can't use Critical Agility. So an entire profession is nearly useless, because there is no way you can justify putting the AI in control of a near-caster armor level frontliner.

Bright Star Shine · Mar 04, 2011, 11:32 AM // 11:32

I'm already raping everything I come across with my heroes so badly, some priests mike take a learning out of it. 7 heroes is sick, no sir, it's already awesome as it is.

/notsigned

Kunder · Mar 04, 2011, 03:19 PM // 15:19

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Originally Posted by Bright Star Shine

I'm already raping everything I come across with my heroes so badly, some priests mike take a learning out of it. 7 heroes is sick, no sir, it's already awesome as it is.

/notsigned

I should really edit the OP to point out that this isn't intended to be a power increase, so illiterate people don't get confused.

Bright Star Shine · Mar 04, 2011, 03:49 PM // 15:49

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Originally Posted by Kunder

I should really edit the OP to point out that this isn't intended to be a power increase, so illiterate people don't get confused.

I know it isn't a power increase, and it will remain with 3 skills, I am not stupid. The reason I blew away your request is because you are already given an awesome advantage that is seriously overpowered and can do pretty much anything in the game with a lot of ease, and you still dare to complain and ask for more. They give you a hand, and you want the arm.

You should really edit the OP to point out that this is actually a sad childish way of acting to what you get, so us grateful people don't get confused.

Mia Clemons · Mar 04, 2011, 05:41 PM // 17:41

3 Pain Inverters,
3 Necrosis,
3 Ebon Assassin Support,
3 Ebon Sniper Support,
3 Flame Djinn Summons,
3 Snow Storms,
3 Finish Him!,
3 You Move Like A Dwarf!
Should I continue?...

/notsigned

p.s. Be grateful you can bring 7 heroes now! The fact that you can now completely customize your party means that you can have 5+ Discord spammers, 5+ Searing Flames spammers, etc etc. You'll be surprised how much more damage this allows...

TheGuildWarsPenguin · Mar 05, 2011, 12:15 AM // 00:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mia Clemons

3 Pain Inverters,
3 Necrosis,
3 Ebon Assassin Support,
3 Ebon Sniper Support,
3 Flame Djinn Summons,
3 Snow Storms,
3 Finish Him!,
3 You Move Like A Dwarf!
Should I continue?...

/notsigned

p.s. Be grateful you can bring 7 heroes now! The fact that you can now completely customize your party means that you can have 5+ Discord spammers, 5+ Searing Flames spammers, etc etc. You'll be surprised how much more damage this allows...

I don't care if bringing one copy of a PvE skill on a hero prevents you from using it on another hero; like the TC mentioned, it will make war/sin/ranger/para heroes more useful by letting them use PvE skills. Also, 5+ Discord/SF spammers is only for those who can afford it and for people who can only run mindless Discord/SoS/Panic/insert OP caster hero build.

XFD at all the people exaggerating how OP this would be while at the same time, supported implementing the 7 hero cap.

MithranArkanere · Mar 05, 2011, 12:44 AM // 00:44

Please exercise reading comprehension while in Sardelac.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mia Clemons

3 Pain Inverters,
3 Necrosis,
3 Ebon Assassin Support,
3 Ebon Sniper Support,
3 Flame Djinn Summons,
3 Snow Storms,
3 Finish Him!,
3 You Move Like A Dwarf!
Should I continue?...

This is NOT what the Thread creator says.
He doesn't say 3 per hero, which would be 24 PvE skills.

Let's say you have 7 heroes.
With yours, that's 8 bars of 8 skills, or 64 skills in total.
What creator says is 3 PvE skills IN TOTAL, and none repeated, which would be 3 different PvE skills out of 64.

I think that if that makes people not bring PvE skills in their own build, and put his 3 PvE skills only in one or more of his heroes, that's actually better that limiting the PvE skills to the player, if that would make the player get used to not bringing PvE skills in his build.

dagrdagaz · Mar 05, 2011, 11:29 AM // 11:29

PvE skills r for players only not for H/H imo
They r linked to ranks the player progresses in.

/notsigned therefore